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WHAT YOU SEE AND HEAR FROM CHUMBAWAMBA IS WHAT YOU GET

By GERRY GALIPAULT

(April 16, 2000)

'Tubthumping" is so 1997. Even the members of Chumbawamba think so.

Rather than rest on its laurels, after the sing-along hit went Top 10 on the U.S. charts and No. 1 worldwide and the "Tubthumper" album sold millions, the Leeds, England-based group went to great pains to avoid making another "Tubthumper."

They even ditched a half-recorded follow-up album.

"We felt it was sounding too much like the last album," guitarist-vocalist Boff Whalley said recently. "It was like 13 separate songs with big choruses and a couple of quiet ones. It felt too much like 'Tubthumper,' and we wanted to do something a bit different with it.

"What we usually do is record for a bit and everybody writes bits of things and we stick them all together and then we do a rough demo. Then we sit back on it for like two weeks, just like we did with this one, but then we came back to it and listened to it and went 'Oh, no, we fucked up.' "

The eight-member pop-rock collective - Whalley, Lou Watts (vocals, keyboards), Harry Hamer (drums, vocals), Danbert Nobacon (vocals, banjo), Dunstan Bruce (vocals), Jude Abbot (trumpet), Alice Nutter (vocals) and Neil Ferguson (bass) - returned to the drawing board and set off to create a concept album encompassing their biting political and social commentary with a whimsical mixture of genres, from punk and ska to country and hip-hop.

Their instincts were right. They have delivered the goods with "WYSIWYG" (computerese for "What you see is what you get"), released April 4 on Republic/Universal.

There are no obvious "Tubthumping"-like hits - though the lead-off single, "She's Got All the Friends," comes closest - but it doesn't matter. Thinking-man's rock doesn't always translate into instant radio airplay.

"It would have been too obvious to try and carry on doing the same thing," Whalley said. "I know it may sound smug, but we could've gone and written three or more 'Tubthumpings' that were along the same sort of line that would've worked in the same sort of way. But it would've been such a stupid thing to do. We really enjoy what we're doing, and we enjoy the fact that we try and push and challenge ourselves a bit. We don't want to be thinking, 'Oh, this is just a career, and we have to follow this certain pattern.' That's a sign of getting bored and all that."

Originally, the band considered throwing all their musical and lyrical ideas into one album-long song. Realizing no one would stand for a 47-minute, one-track disc, they broke it down into bits.

"We like to throw everything in there," Whalley said. "One of the reasons the album turned out that way was because we decided we didn't want to write about 12 separate ideas about separate things. We wanted there to be a link between the songs, a throwback to 'Howl' by Allen Ginsberg. It was a 1960s weird, rambling poem. It's like walking through a modern city and you're just looking at everything that's going on. It's a massive bombardment of ideas, images and cliches. So we decided to do that all the way through."

It's a quite a trip. "WYSIWYG" begins with "I'm With Stupid," which flogs boy bands and drama school graduates; "Pass It Along" tries to make sense of security-driven logic; "Hey Hey We're the Junkies" targets consumerism; "I'm Coming Out" rags on newspaper scandal sheets; "I'm Not Sorry, I Was Having Fun" lambastes last year's Woodstock and the advertising generation, and "She's Got All the Friends" is a "Clueless" look at spoiled rich girls.

Everybody's fair game, from Charlton Heston ("Moses With a Gun"), Calvin Klein ("Knickers"), PMRC-types like Tipper Gore ("Ladies For Compassionate Lynching") to Jerry Springer ("The Physical Impossibility of Death in the Mind of Jerry Springer").

The tour de force is "Celebration, Florida," a country-flavored indictment of the Disney World-owned planned community. Even without having ever visited "the exclusive housing regime," Chumbawamba nails it: "There's a bake sale at the schoolhouse and they're selling innocence. They're keeping out the deviants to protect the residents of Celebration, Florida."

"About a year ago, Celebration came up in a conversation, and I thought, 'God, that's funny' and then forgot about it," Whalley said. "Earlier, when we were putting this album together, Alice was writing bits of stuff and she just wrote a couple of lines referring to it, not really knowing much about it.

"We thought it was a great idea, then we went off and looked it up on the Internet and saw loads of different sites about it. There's people's thesis papers about it, criticisms of it, as well as the town's own site. It's fascinating.

"There's a social critic in Britain who has a newspaper column, and he's really good, actually, but he's just done a film about Celebration and he came away with this idea that even though it's freaky, it just might work. We sent him a copy of the album, and he discussed the song in his column and said, 'Well, yeah, I can see they have a good point,' but he's saying we're coming from a cynical point of view and he's trying to come from a hopeful point of view."

Social architecture would never fly in Britain, Whalley says.

"Every time we come to the states, there's this beautiful recognition that everything comes in nice straight lines and all the streets go 1, 2, 3, 4," he said. "It's all very ordered, whereas if you come to Britain, you go out for a walk and you get lost in five minutes. None of the streets are parallel, and you suddenly find yourself somewhere you thought you were walking away from. But I like it, it's a mess. It's our mess."

Most of the sociopolitical criticisms throughout "WYSWIYG" are directed at the United States, but Whalley says Americans shouldn't take offense. They're not being anti-American.

"All the American references in there, and there are a lot of them, they're the kind of references that people from America, at least all of the people from America that we know, would laugh at and say, 'Yeah, I recognize that,' " he said. "What we're trying to say, really, is if you're living in Tokyo or Cologne, everyone understands those reference points, the same shops and adverts. Everyone understands the Americanization wherever you are in the world.

"It's amazing the kind of power American industry has. It's like America tried really hard to have a lot of control over the world militarily; it sort of succeeded with NATO, but it had a lot of setbacks with obviously Vietnam, whereas I think the globalization of culture and marketing and advertising products, they're onto a winner. They know that's the way to colonize the world, not going in with guns, but with The Gap."

That pop-culture invasion has even reached Leeds, Whalley says.

"Leeds has been transformed in the last five, 10 years into a big shopping area and a lot of the stuff that's coming in is American-based, American-owned stores," he said. "It's just weird. I'm not saying it's particularly a nasty thing. For me, it's good that there's a Borders book store in Leeds, because we didn't really have a good book shop in Leeds before. At the same time, I can't help thinking, 'Wow, this is a bit strange that this is the same book shop that's all over the world.' "

Detractors may dismiss Chumbawamba as a one-hit wonder, but to Whalley and his band mates, it doesn't matter one bloody bit. "WYSIWYG" is the best album of their nearly 20-year career, and they know it.

"I think a lot of people think if we don't sell a lot of records - obviously we're not going to sell the same as last time - but if we don't do that and we don't have lots of hit singles, that that's a sign that things have gotten worse," Whalley said. "Nothing could be further from the truth. We definitely wanted to make an album this time, and I appreciate the idea that people have to have hit singles that get played on the radio, but it was really important that we made an album we loved and we thought this is the album. We don't care if it doesn't have any big singles on it; we just want to go back to the old-fashioned idea of making a really nice concept album. For us, that's enough."

THE FIRST RECORD I EVER BOUGHT: "The first single I bought was called 'Lady Barbara' by Herman's Hermits and a single by Redbone called 'Witch Queen of New Orleans.' I was too young to actually understand what music was, but somebody gave me some money for Easter and I went to a record shop and bought those two records, having never heard them before. I suddenly decided I absolutely loved them, even though I didn't have any idea who they were. I was like 5. The first album I bought was (the Beatles') 'The White Album,' which is really lucky because it set me up for life. I bought it secondhand years after it came out and I just thought, 'Wow, two albums for the price of one.' I got it purely for the value."

THE FIRST CONCERT I EVER WENT TO: "Apart from youth club gigs, it was a band called Albertos, a satirical British comedy group, and it was supported by Devo on their second British gig. I was amazed by a bunch of kids in yellow boiler suits, and they played a video onstage while they played."

THE LAST CD I BOUGHT: "The new Mekons album, 'Journey to the End of the Night.' I just bought it about three days ago, and I was listening to it last night. I love it. It's the best thing they've done in years and years. They used to be based in Leeds, so there's a lot of references I understand."

BWF (before we forget): What you see is what you get on the Web @ www.chumba.com. ... The Chumbawamba album discography - "Pictures of Starving Children Sell Records" (Agit Pop, 1986); "Never Mind the Ballots" (1987); "English Rebel Songs" (1988); "Slap!" (1990); "Shhh" (1992); "Anarchy" (One Little Indian, 1994); "Showbusiness!" (1995); "Swingin' With Raymond" (1995); "Tubthumper" (Republic/Universal, 1997). "WYSIWYG" (2000).

YOU CAN NEVER KEEP CHUMBAWAMBA DOWN

By GERRY GALIPAULT

(April 26, 1998)

To the uninitiated, British sensation Chumbawamba was one of the hottest new acts of 1997, popping out of nowhere to crack the U.S. Top 10 with the anthemic single "Tubthumping" and selling more than 3 million copies of their "Tubthumper" album.

In reality, the eight-member band began mixing pop, punk and politics in 1982, when techno-pop groups such as the Human League and A Flock of Seagulls ruled the airwaves, Argentine troops invaded the British-held Falkland Islands, tainted Tylenol capsules killed eight people and "Late Night With David Letterman" debuted on NBC.

For vocalist-keyboardist Danbert Nobacon, it has been a long, interesting ride on the good-ship Chumbawamba.

"The first 10 years we all had other jobs or were at school and almost exclusively played benefit shows," Nobacon said recently. "We didn't start taking wages from Chumbawamba until 1992 when we were fed up with crap jobs and felt that Chumbawamba deserved our full energies.

"Between 1992 and mid-1997, we were always on the fringes of the mainstream. We wanted to be part of popular culture, so we wanted to be popular in that sense, and every now and then something we did would slip into the mainstream.

"For example, our 1993 single 'Enough Is Enough' containing the line 'Give the Fascist Man a gunshot,' being played on national daytime radio in the U.K. Coincidentally, a Nazi had just been elected to a local council in London, so anti-fascism was 'this year's thing' for six months in the liberal media, but a year later there were still fascists on the streets and we were as unpopular as we had ever been now that politics was no longer hip."

The phenomenal success of "Tubthumping" - its defiant chant, "I get knocked down, but I get up again, you're never gonna keep me down," is now a mainstay at sporting events - caught Nobacon and his band mates (Lou Watts, Boff, Dunstan Bruce, Harry Hamer, Alice Nutter, Paul Greco and Jude Abbott) all by surprise.

"To us, we had simply carried on what we had always done, making interesting sounding records with politics," Nobacon said. "We were very proud of the 'Tubthumper' album, especially since our English label (One Little Indian Records) rejected it in the early stages. They said 'take a year off, go and write some stronger songs, maybe we'll bring the album out in a year's time.' We couldn't wait that long.

"For them not to bring the record out, they were defaulting on the contract, so we walked, right back into part-time jobs, plastering, waiting in restaurants, etc., to be able to finish the record and pay the bills. Biggest favor they ever did us.

"The huge success of it was a bonus, really, and the big change was suddenly everyone wanted to talk to us and know about our history and our politics. We don't really feel any different as people. We still hold the same beliefs and are as full of contradictions as we ever were. It is a triumph for us, and it gives us this whole new platform to put interesting pop and radical ideas into a mainstream context. It is bizarre, but fascinating as well."

Nobacon isn't sure if fans are in tune to the rebellious messages behind "Tubthumping" and other standout tracks, such as "Amnesia" and "I Want More." Frankly, he doesn't care.

"We're putting radical ideas out there and then saying it's up to you. Take 'em or leave 'em," he said. "We don't have the answers, we're not into telling people do this or do that. We just wanna spark debate, encourage people to think for themselves.

"They are not our ideas. Anarchist, anti-authoritarian ideas have been around as long as society has. We are just putting them in a pop music context, where they don't often get through. I think if people buy our albums or see us live then there is no hiding the politics, no matter how subtle the words may or may not be. We take each opportunity as it arises and think what can we do with this.

"Maybe it's enough to just play the song. Maybe we wanna change the words like we did on 'David Letterman,' inserting the chant 'Free Mumia Abu Jamal,' the black rights activist prisoner on death row in Philadelphia, into 'Tubthumping.' We take risks ... some work, some don't, but it's in our natures to fuck with the pop rules."

And what has happened to Chumbawamba's early fans? Did they stand by the group or abandon them when the stakes got too high? Nobacon said people always have accused them of selling out.

"In 1986, when we stopped doing mail-order cassettes and put out our first album on our second U.S. tour," he said, "people walked out of gigs saying we were 'too disco' or 'not punk enough.' Maximum Rock 'n' Roll stopped reviewing our records for that very same reason. We didn't care. It was always more important for us to change than to stay like how people expected us to be. If you have politics, then you are always gonna disappoint someone. It's part of the territory.

"Having said that, there's a lot of people we know from way back, who were perhaps in bands in the mid-'80s or just old mates, who are totally behind what we are doing. A lot of them grew up with us, and the same as we narrowed our options down to being in a pop band with politics, a lot of them have gone into socially useful work - nurses, trade unionists, youth workers, activists - and they fully understand the difficulties and contradictions of balancing political idealism with the realities of making a living."

Finally, once and for all, all of America wants to know: Who or what is a Chumbawamba? And a Tubthumper?

"(Chumbawamba) is the baby on the front of 'Tubthumper,' " Nobacon said. "Well, we have always used the baby theme throughout Chumbawamba's existence, and it came from a dream that Boff had, around the time we were thinking of names for the band, and (in his dream), a baby was trying to speak and say words, and the first word she said, in baby language sounded something like 'chummberwummer' and it sort of got abbreviated from that. A baby with a big mouth.

"A 'tubthumper' is an actual word from the English dictionary, and it describes someone in history, who before the invention of electricity and microphones, would stand on a soap box on the street corner and spout their view to anyone who would listen. People still do it in Hyde Park in London. In the song, it describes a bloke in the pub, who after a crap week at work, is doing the same from the bar, railing against his boss or his crap wages, but rising above it, and having the dignity to go home singing 'Danny Boy' at the end of the night."

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